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jjdefan · Oct 10, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Typo for the first thread I ment to put Im just gonna point this out because it seems no one has yet

the staffs are not Req 9 Primary Attribute they are Req 9 second daryAttribute go back and read them again if you dont believe me im lookin at they right now.

Um if your useing soul reaping, spawning powers,energy storage,fast casting as your primary UMMMM here is a primary :

PRIMARY Attribute:
req 9 fire magic for a fire ele
req 9 prot
req 9 dom
req 9 illusion
and so on i can list them all but whats the point

Do you get what im saying the staffs are not primary attribute staffs.
"second dary Attribute"
soul reaping
energy storage
fast casting
divine favor

In the words of the great Cave Man: Uhhh....What???

Weapon stats are
Staff

Energy +10
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Divine Favor)
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Fast Casting)
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Soul Reaping)
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Energy Storage)
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Spawning Power)
Halves skill recharge of spells (Chance: 20%)
Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)
Health +60

Divine Favor is the Monk primary attribute, meaning that only a character with Monk as their primary class can put points into this attribute.
Fast Casting is the Mesmer primary attribute, which means that only characters who have chosen to be a primary Mesmer can put points into this attribute.
Soul Reaping is the Necromancer primary attribute, so only characters that are primary Necromancers can put points into Soul Reaping.
Energy Storage is the Elementalist primary attribute, meaning that only a character with Elementalist as their primary profession can put points into this attribute.
The Spawning Power attribute reflects a Ritualist's skill when summoning or animating creatures and casting weapon spells. This is a primary attribute and may not be used by secondary ritualists.

So, what does all that say? The Stats are for each Caster Class' PRIMARY attribute. If you are, let's say, a Ranger/Mesmer, you wont have Fast Casting and wont get the damage from the staff, because you don't have the Primary attribute of Fast Casting as a Ranger.

Zeek Aran · Oct 10, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Thank you for restating what I said you two. Do you understand it now, Hermet?

Oofus · Oct 10, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Um if your useing soul reaping, spawning powers,energy storage,fast casting as your primary UMMMM here is a primary :

PRIMARY Attribute:
req 9 fire magic for a fire ele
req 9 prot
req 9 dom
req 9 illusion
and so on i can list them all but whats the point

Do you get what im saying the staffs are not primary attribute staffs.
"second dary Attribute"
soul reaping
energy storage
fast casting
divine favor

Clearly someone does not understand the definition of Primay Attribute

As for these items, I kinda like the idea but it shouldn't be taken to the extream. A few items like this are ok but I definitely think it should be limited.

Operations · Oct 11, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

For PvE my Ele loves Kerrsh's Staff. One weapon, 5 headgears, all situations covered without a trip to storage before heading out. Just load template, swap headgear, and go.

trielementz · Oct 11, 2007, 12:07 PM // 12:07

novelty items, yes. but it'd be a disaster if all weapons were this way. GW's weapons already suffer from a lack of variation imo. it'd be plain boring to have all items like these.

Zeek Aran · Oct 11, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

We need more useful things like Pywatt's! There's not a single strength shield with +45/-2 while enchanted. What's up with that? And every green weapon has 20/20 sundering. Pffffft lame.

Shiishii Momo · Oct 11, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

We need more useful things like Pywatt's! There's not a single strength shield with +45/-2 while enchanted. What's up with that? And every green weapon has 20/20 sundering. Pffffft lame.

Blade of the Hierophant, Cyndr's Edge, Destructive Blade, Murakai's Blade and Sword of the Kinslayer all are not the cookie cutter 15^50 20/20 HP+30 swords, just in EOTN. As to why no strength shields, dunno. Maybe because running skills are stances, and it would be an unfair advantage for the mending wammo, and stoneflesh already gives you an armor buff.

On topic, spellcaster weapons are already severly lacking in any form of originality or professiona specific ownership. Oddly, the most expensive skins, like the Ghostly, are the ones that cross all professions. Wonder why? I think they need to get back to the original concept of having individual skins for each caster class, prolly never going to happen though because creativity + more work = no chance of A-Net doing it.

Miss Puddles · Oct 11, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

We need more useful things like Pywatt's! There's not a single strength shield with +45/-2 while enchanted. What's up with that? And every green weapon has 20/20 sundering. Pffffft lame.

agreed. before the triple green drop weekend recently, i checked out all the new gwen greens to see what bows to add to my collection.
THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME STATS!
with very few exceptions. i mean really, has no one grown up from 15^50 20/20 +30?!?! it's like eating pepperoni pizza your entire life. branch out!
i didn't farm a single green that weekend.

on the other hand, the multi-class weapons are nice for basic builds that don't need uber specific stats.

blakecraw · Oct 11, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I love the multi-class weapons. It makes it so that anybody can do a quest to get em, and then they can actually USE THE ITEM. Example: in prophecies, I always did the quests that gave an item just to see its stats; then I always merch'd the item cuz it was absolute trash. It makes quests much more interesting knowing there is a tangible, useful reward at the end (instead of x amount of lame norn points). The only reason I did the norn tourny was to get the bison cup and zetukah's horn on my monk. However, I think the normal staves and such need to stay the same because not everybody runs 9 primary attribute. That is the only reason I feel that way, not because it would make people's weapons less unique.

In conclusion: I agree w/ op, Anet please make more (useful, usable) generic weapons!

Zeek Aran · Oct 11, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

Blade of the Hierophant, Cyndr's Edge, Destructive Blade, Murakai's Blade and Sword of the Kinslayer all are not the cookie cutter 15^50 20/20 HP+30 swords, just in EOTN. As to why no strength shields, dunno. Maybe because running skills are stances, and it would be an unfair advantage for the mending wammo, and stoneflesh already gives you an armor buff.

Every GWEN sword has +30 hp. Scratch that, every shield, sword, hammer, axe, and bow, 6/8 daggers, all spears, and even para shields. They ALL have +30 hp. The skins are great, but the stats are all used previously.

Shiishii Momo · Oct 11, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Don't misunderstand me, Zeek, I agree with you. But as I said earlier, I just don't think that we are going to see the level of creativity we did when the game was new(er). A-Net will continue to make all swords 15^50/20:20/+30 and all shields 16al/-5:20%/+30 because they think thats what all players want.

Yawgmoth · Oct 12, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Those staffs just like ALL of new rare GW:EN staffs are pure junk simply because of their attributes - the very least useful ones imaginable (for a staff req).

They may be good if someone is looking for one 'general use' staff, but it starts to become very annoying when there are no other viable options around.

This is getting both very boring and really sad, the only staffs I want to use need to have req. Healing; Protection; Fire; Death; Curses etc. but NONE of the GW:EN staffs use those attributes, they ALL drop only for the primaries and all have one use: selling them...

So the only option for me are the Destroyer or Tormented staffs (I don't count other crafters', I prefer more high-end stuff). So why not make those cool new staffs drop for all possible attributes, not just the near-useless ones?

CHunterX · Oct 12, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Still waiting for something like this:

Battle Staff
Energy +10
Chaos damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Strength)
Dark damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Critical Strikes)
Earth damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Expertise)
Fire damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Leadership)
Holy damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Mysticism)

N E D M · Oct 12, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

as a caster you should generally have at least 9 in your primary most of the time...
anyhow i hate the 1 skin for all casters that started in factions, takes the fun out of getting an end game item.

edit: also bows all req marksmanship because well it is a bow attribute, a diff req (expertise for example) would be like a req 9 swordsmanship hammer